Why Is Rumple Crazy Again Ouat
Idk, but this is bound to spark some insightful thoughts. XD
I personally hate him. I merely call back he's completely horrible. Also, not a fan of the constant self-victimizing. You can't go try to destroy a whole town and then exist similar "Waaaaaaah, nobody wuvs meeeeeee." Like, cease. God, I'm starting to wonder what Belle ever saw in him.
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Gheather14 wrote: True. Like I said, I withal feel for Rumple/Gilded, though I am disappointed with the way that they wrote his character from 3B to S4. Hopefully, we'll get more insight into why he was so OOC after his resurrection because he really is the show's near interesting graphic symbol to me when they actually give time to mankind out his motives and personal feelings. Instead, they favor Regina's whiny and hypocritical "heroism" and random minor characters.
Regina is more than of a hero than Gold would ever exist. He is completely across redemption; she actually has a soul and is a good person. Gold is just pathetic, and he always has been, since season i. He has never once acted out of graphic symbol. Everything he did in seasons four and five were exactly the sorts of things Gold has always washed. Since the beginning, he has always loved power beyond anything else. He never changes; he simply fools himself in thinking he has. The but time he has washed anything even resembling heroism, it has been to protect Baelfire or Belle. He never seems to give a damn about anyone else. (i.due east. he but killed Pan, because he had a personal feud with him and he was threatening Belle.) The other iii major villains - Regina, Hook, and Zelena - have always been skilful people at their cadre, which means redemption is ever an option for them. At his cadre, Gold is nothing simply a monster who only cares nigh writing.
Besides, I have never understood why people claim the series has devolved since flavor one. For me, I have felt it has gotten greater and greater. Some of my favorite episodes are in afterwards seasons. I take e'er found the show more interesting mail service-season ane. This is just my opinion, merely I remember the writing, character development, and everything has been strongest on Once Upon a Time than any other television series on correct now. Simply once has In one case Upon a Time had a bad part, and that was "The Deport King." Even Greg and Tamara at least had a purpose; they were the introduction to show.
I'm sorry, just this always bothers me, considering I think the series is perfect, and I don't empathise the criticism. I could motion on, if I understood it.
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MBrody, The things in season 4 and 5 weren't farfetched, but they were out of character. Rumple in 3b clearly showed that he was capable of choosing honey over ability, then he switches right at the end, so he switches dorsum then he switches for the final time before season 4a finished.
He has changed and flavour 4 and 5a are the times that he's a piddling ooc, then yous can't employ that to explain that he'south non (because that doesn't brand every bit much sense).
Rumple killed Pan for the reasons he stated. Y'all tin can't say that the character did it for whatsoever other reason than what was stated. You cannot say Rumple killed Pan considering he was mad and threatened Belle. It was to protect those he love and their love for him made him strong enough to choose dear and heroism over himself.
The problem y'all've stated used season 5 as his basis when that's when he's ooc. In season one and 2, we learned that Rumple was a normal dude as was Regina, just then they became evil. You act every bit if Rumple was always evil, which he wasn't. Rumple gave into fright, Regina gave into Anger, both using magic, while Hook became rebellious and then a pirate for some reason. Zleena herself has been deadline crazy or obsessive. So, she wasn't evil, merely she did have bug.
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MBrody wrote:
Gheather14 wrote: Truthful. Similar I said, I all the same feel for Rumple/Gold, though I am disappointed with the way that they wrote his character from 3B to S4. Hopefully, we'll become more insight into why he was so OOC subsequently his resurrection because he really is the testify'south most interesting character to me when they actually give fourth dimension to flesh out his motives and personal feelings. Instead, they favor Regina's whiny and hypocritical "heroism" and random small-scale characters.
Regina is more of a hero than Aureate would ever exist. He is completely beyond redemption; she actually has a soul and is a skillful person. Gold is just pathetic, and he ever has been, since flavor one. He has never in one case acted out of character. Everything he did in seasons iv and five were exactly the sorts of things Gold has always done. Since the beginning, he has always loved power beyond anything else. He never changes; he just fools himself in thinking he has. The only time he has done annihilation even resembling heroism, it has been to protect Baelfire or Belle. He never seems to give a damn about anyone else. (i.e. he simply killed Pan, because he had a personal feud with him and he was threatening Belle.) The other 3 major villains - Regina, Hook, and Zelena - have always been adept people at their core, which ways redemption is always an pick for them. At his core, Golden is zip but a monster who only cares about writing.
Too, I have never understood why people claim the series has devolved since flavour one. For me, I have felt it has gotten greater and greater. Some of my favorite episodes are in later seasons. I accept ever establish the show more interesting post-season i. This is just my stance, but I think the writing, character evolution, and everything has been strongest on Once Upon a Time than any other television series on right at present. Merely in one case has Once Upon a Time had a bad part, and that was "The Acquit King." Even Greg and Tamara at to the lowest degree had a purpose; they were the introduction to show.
I'm sorry, but this always bothers me, because I retrieve the series is perfect, and I don't sympathize the criticism. I could movement on, if I understood it.
Regina is no different than Golden, she just had the heroes on her side apologizing for her, victim blaming themselves and encouraging her to do bad things. Regina in season four is terrible, she blames Emma for saving someone'due south life, someone she killed, she has sex with a married human being while his wife is in a "coma", blames the author for her evil doings, rips out Belle'south heart for selfish reasons, and she and Rumple basically wanted the same affair in season 4. Hook is no different.
The serial has devolved since season 1 because it gave in to fan pandering, which is basically ships and Disney trash, the characters have turned into either 2 dimentional or hypocrites.
"...everything has been strongest on Once Upon a Time than whatever other television series on correct now"
really? More than Game of Thrones? The Walking Expressionless? Jessica Jones? Outlander? House of Cards? OITNB?
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Farerb wrote:
MBrody wrote:
Gheather14 wrote: Truthful. Similar I said, I notwithstanding feel for Rumple/Golden, though I am disappointed with the manner that they wrote his character from 3B to S4. Hopefully, we'll become more insight into why he was so OOC after his resurrection because he really is the testify's most interesting character to me when they actually give fourth dimension to mankind out his motives and personal feelings. Instead, they favor Regina'due south whiny and hypocritical "heroism" and random minor characters.
Regina is more than of a hero than Golden would always exist. He is completely beyond redemption; she actually has a soul and is a good person. Gilded is just pathetic, and he ever has been, since flavour i. He has never in one case acted out of graphic symbol. Everything he did in seasons four and five were exactly the sorts of things Gold has always done. Since the offset, he has always loved power beyond anything else. He never changes; he just fools himself in thinking he has. The merely time he has done anything even resembling heroism, it has been to protect Baelfire or Belle. He never seems to give a damn virtually anyone else. (i.e. he only killed Pan, considering he had a personal feud with him and he was threatening Belle.) The other three major villains - Regina, Hook, and Zelena - have always been proficient people at their cadre, which means redemption is ever an option for them. At his core, Golden is nothing but a monster who only cares about writing.
As well, I accept never understood why people claim the series has devolved since season i. For me, I have felt it has gotten greater and greater. Some of my favorite episodes are in afterwards seasons. I have always plant the show more than interesting mail service-flavor one. This is simply my stance, but I think the writing, character evolution, and everything has been strongest on Once Upon a Time than any other television series on right now. Only in one case has Once Upon a Time had a bad office, and that was "The Bear King." Even Greg and Tamara at least had a purpose; they were the introduction to show.
I'm sorry, but this ever bothers me, because I remember the series is perfect, and I don't understand the criticism. I could motion on, if I understood it.
Regina is no different than Gold, she simply had the heroes on her side apologizing for her, victim blaming themselves and encouraging her to exercise bad things. Regina in season iv is terrible, she blames Emma for saving someone's life, someone she killed, she has sex with a married man while his wife is in a "blackout", blames the writer for her evil doings, rips out Belle's heart for selfish reasons, and she and Rumple basically wanted the same matter in season iv. Hook is no different.
The serial has devolved since flavour i because information technology gave in to fan pandering, which is basically ships and Disney trash, the characters have turned into either 2 dimentional or hypocrites.
"...everything has been strongest on Once Upon a Time than any other television series on correct now"
really? More than Game of Thrones? The Walking Expressionless? Jessica Jones? Outlander? Business firm of Cards? OITNB?
Well, nosotros tin agree to disagree on that, considering I see Regina and Hook as heroes. Regina was a peachy person in season four. She never once blamed the Author for her bad decisions; she blamed him for her seeming inability to become a happy ending even after she'd inverse. And how tin can y'all blame her for being upset that Marian was brought dorsum? I call up it'south more that she was more aroused at herself; she just took it out on Emma. And she and Gold did non want the same thing. She wanted her happy ending, simply she was not willing to hurt innocent people to do that; she was not that person anymore. Furthermore, I don't know how you can arraign her for taking Belle'south heart; Gilt left her with very fiddling options. Desperate times telephone call for drastic measures.
And besides Jessica Jones, I don't like any of those shows you lot only named. To me, they all just seem silly. And I don't see a problem with calculation Disney stuff to show; the Frozen storyline, for example, was i of the all-time arcs in the series.
Neither one of us can say who is right here, as fiction is always going to be subjective.
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MBrody wrote:
Farerb wrote:
MBrody wrote:
Gheather14 wrote: True. Like I said, I yet feel for Rumple/Gold, though I am disappointed with the fashion that they wrote his character from 3B to S4. Hopefully, nosotros'll get more than insight into why he was so OOC after his resurrection because he really is the show'due south most interesting graphic symbol to me when they really give fourth dimension to flesh out his motives and personal feelings. Instead, they favor Regina'south whiny and hypocritical "heroism" and random pocket-size characters.
Regina is more than of a hero than Gold would always be. He is completely across redemption; she really has a soul and is a good person. Gold is just pathetic, and he ever has been, since flavor i. He has never in one case acted out of character. Everything he did in seasons four and five were exactly the sorts of things Gold has always done. Since the start, he has ever loved power beyond anything else. He never changes; he only fools himself in thinking he has. The but time he has washed anything fifty-fifty resembling heroism, information technology has been to protect Baelfire or Belle. He never seems to give a damn about anyone else. (i.east. he simply killed Pan, because he had a personal feud with him and he was threatening Belle.) The other three major villains - Regina, Hook, and Zelena - have always been practiced people at their core, which ways redemption is always an selection for them. At his core, Gold is null just a monster who only cares almost writing.
Besides, I have never understood why people claim the series has devolved since season one. For me, I have felt it has gotten greater and greater. Some of my favorite episodes are in after seasons. I take always found the show more interesting mail service-flavour ane. This is simply my stance, simply I think the writing, character development, and everything has been strongest on Once Upon a Time than any other television series on right now. Only once has Once Upon a Time had a bad part, and that was "The Bear King." Even Greg and Tamara at least had a purpose; they were the introduction to evidence.
I'm sorry, simply this always bothers me, because I think the series is perfect, and I don't understand the criticism. I could move on, if I understood it.
Regina is no different than Aureate, she just had the heroes on her side apologizing for her, victim blaming themselves and encouraging her to do bad things. Regina in season 4 is terrible, she blames Emma for saving someone'due south life, someone she killed, she has sex with a married man while his wife is in a "blackout", blames the author for her evil doings, rips out Belle's centre for selfish reasons, and she and Rumple basically wanted the same affair in season four. Hook is no unlike.
The serial has devolved since season 1 considering it gave in to fan pandering, which is basically ships and Disney trash, the characters have turned into either 2 dimentional or hypocrites.
"...everything has been strongest on In one case Upon a Time than any other television serial on correct at present"
really? More than Game of Thrones? The Walking Dead? Jessica Jones? Outlander? House of Cards? OITNB?
Well, nosotros can agree to disagree on that, considering I see Regina and Hook as heroes. Regina was a not bad person in season four. She never once blamed the Author for her bad decisions; she blamed him for her seeming inability to get a happy ending fifty-fifty afterwards she'd changed. And how tin y'all blame her for being upset that Marian was brought back? I think it's more that she was more aroused at herself; she just took it out on Emma. And she and Golden did non want the aforementioned thing. She wanted her happy ending, but she was not willing to hurt innocent people to practice that; she was not that person anymore. Furthermore, I don't know how you tin blame her for taking Belle'southward heart; Golden left her with very niggling options. Desperate times call for drastic measures.
And besides Jessica Jones, I don't like any of those shows you just named. To me, they all simply seem light-headed. And I don't see a trouble with adding Disney stuff to show; the Frozen storyline, for example, was one of the best arcs in the series.
Neither i of u.s. can say who is correct here, as fiction is always going to be subjective.
So taking Belle wad ok cause the end justify the means? You see the problem here?
The only reason you see Rumple every bit a villain and Regina and Hook as heroes is because of the manipulative writing that labels Regina and Hook as heroes and Rumple every bit a villain past having the main characters constantly say it while they show us that Rumple, Regina and Hook all practise bad questionable things.
And if OUAT is better than those other silly shows, how come it never won an Emmy for writing or interim like those other silly Television set shows?
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Regina blamed the book for her non existence happy (That'due south what you said). Then, that means that Regina blamed the Author who wrote the volume for her bad decisions because it was regina'southward bad decisions that made her unhappy.
Both Regina and Rumple remember the terminate justifies the means, so you tin can't say one is a hero and the other is a bad, bad man. Snow is a true hero, who would't have done such a thing.
And that's the bespeak, Regina is not much meliorate than Rumple. Rumple may acept that he'due south evil, simply him and Regina both fight "muddy" to achieve their goals. Regina was going to have the Author rewrite stuff and Rumple had the same plan. You can't call Rumple a villain for wanting the same matter that Regina wanted. Regina choose not to, merely information technology doesn't make her a hero, because she didn't save anyone. Information technology doesn't make her a decent person because Emma had a bad life and we don't see her using the Author or complaining.
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I think they are both antiheroes/antivillains to be honest. I don't think that Rumple accepts that he'due south evil, or that he loves ability more than anything. I recollect this power thing is a writers block thing on the part of A&Due east because they don't know what to do anymore now that his son is gone. I really do feel similar he loves Belle and Baelfire more than anything. A&E merely don't know how to move him frontwards without keeping him morally ambiguous anymore, so they are moving him back and along abruptly through flanderdization. They don't want him to be redeemable still, but they don't want him to be irredeemable either, so they go back and forth between practiced and evil. The consequence is that they want to proceed him a mystery by blurring his motives. They want to proceed Rumple a mystery, merely as of 3B with the death of his son, they have been stripping abroad the entire essence of his character by vaguing up his sympathetic motives to the indicate where he has been coming across as well-nigh 1-note and just power hungry. The fact that they have made him such a "foil" to Hook really bugs me besides. Did Michael Raymond James (Neal) decide to get out OUAT because he wanted to, or was information technology because more people wanted Hook with Emma, instead? Either fashion, I do think that Rumple volition exist the ultimately redeemed and go a happy ending with Belle if the series lasts to an S7 before getting cancelled. Withal, I no longer care to watch the testify if he keeps getting seemingly one-dimensionalized into something that is so OOC, and goes abruptly back and forth between skillful and evil with no deeper explanation. I want to exist able to encounter the journey to redemption in between too, not just purposeless hopping back and forth between hero and villain until the end. That's no fun. Unfortunately, the evidence has become and then inconsistently plot versus consistently graphic symbol driven since the end of 3B that I fear the days of good writing with progressive compelling graphic symbol development for Rumple is over. And it's not just Rumple, but Emma, Regina, Snow, Mannerly, Belle, Henry, and even Hook. They've all fallen apartment, and are no longer credible characters considering they have sacrificed plot for label way besides much, and they have all been dehumanized. Rumple's just th well-nigh obvious considering he'southward the most complicated.
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I loved him initially, in flavor 1 & 2. He's a gray grapheme, he'southward multi-faceted. On one hand, he'southward the evil and conniving nighttime i who is ability hungry and somewhat sadistic, on the other, this nature of his is spurred by his history of loss, lovelessness and humiliation. The ones he loves, he loves crazily, only until he grows to love someone he is downright evil and sadistic in his approach.
Only over the form of seasons it'south getting a little repititive. Everytime he messes things up for them, tries to impairment or kill someone, he stopped and exposed and thrown away, and then he runs after Belle to forgive him, ultimately does some grand gesture and wins her over. Merely then once more he reverts back to his old ways and the cycle restarts. I'one thousand starting to get tired of it at present.
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PrettyBlackRosePirate wrote:
I loved him initially, in season 1 & ii. He'southward a greyness grapheme, he'south multi-faceted. On ane hand, he's the evil and conniving night one who is power hungry and somewhat sadistic, on the other, this nature of his is spurred by his history of loss, lovelessness and humiliation. The ones he loves, he loves crazily, but until he grows to dearest someone he is downright evil and sadistic in his approach.
Simply over the course of seasons it'southward getting a little repititive. Everytime he messes things up for them, tries to harm or kill someone, he stopped and exposed and thrown away, then he runs after Belle to forgive him, ultimately does some grand gesture and wins her over. But then again he reverts back to his old ways and the wheel restarts. I'k starting to get tired of information technology now.
But wiat, I heard the writers maxim he's "evolving" XD
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PrettyBlackRosePirate wrote:
I loved him initially, in season i & 2. He's a gray character, he'southward multi-faceted. On one hand, he's the evil and conniving night one who is power hungry and somewhat sadistic, on the other, this nature of his is spurred past his history of loss, lovelessness and humiliation. The ones he loves, he loves crazily, but until he grows to love someone he is downright evil and sadistic in his approach.
Only over the course of seasons it's getting a little repititive. Everytime he messes things up for them, tries to impairment or kill someone, he stopped and exposed and thrown away, and so he runs after Belle to forgive him, ultimately does some grand gesture and wins her over. But then once more he reverts back to his old ways and the bike restarts. I'm starting to get tired of it now.
I loved him correct upward until he brutally murdered a powerless Zelena. Which ironically, led to his undoing. If he hadn't stabbed her, the time portal wouldn't accept opened, Elsa wouldn't have come up through, Anna never would've gotten to Storybrooke and his plans wouldn't have crashed downwards around him.
Merely he's always been described as an addict. This is what addicts do, they echo the bike until everyone hates them. Looks like Adam and Eddie want the viewers to feel what that's like offset manus, since this is the common consensus since... well, the past two years. Nosotros're as sick of it and him as the other characters, no wonder they didn't care during 5x06.
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